My Comments on:

Chris Bray,

   Unwarranted


HNN Cliopatria [pseudonym], Feb. 20, 2011

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/136766.html

(now at)

https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/136766


Andrew D. Todd

 a_d_todd@rowboats-sd-ca.com 

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(02/20/2011 12:24 PM)

Was It A Public Place?

The account reported is sufficiently fragmentary that  much is unclear, but  I think you missed  some significant points from the newspaper article.  First, the search was with the consent of the property owner. Granted  that the property owner probably did not have the right  to authorize a search of his tenants' effects (subject to uncertainties about the terms of the rental agreements), he did have the power to  authorize the presence of the police in the communal spaces, at  least.

Second, the  property to be searched was not a public place or a accommodation. As  per the warrant (aided by a bit  of map-reading), it seems to  have  been a  vacant lot behind the  apartment complex, extending to the next street (25th street, probably a de-facto alley),  part  of which  was used for  parking, by authorized persons. The front  side of the apartment complex, and the street addresses, were  on  Martin Luther King Jr. Way, on  the north side of the block (apparently renamed from 26th street, numbered streets in Sarasota run east-west, numbers ascending northwards). The south side was not, in  short, the  place where a legitimate  visitor  would pull into the apartment complex. The  photograph shown in the article would be of the north side of  the complex, and there are regular parking  places located there. The  drug dealers chose their stand on the  south side  because, if approached by the police, they could run across automobile-proof terrain, and vanish into apartments before the  police caught up.

Third, Realistically, the presence of an armed gang of drug dealers would have deterred innocent bystanders from approaching this back lot. By definition, a gang "owns turf," and chases other people out of it.

Fourth, it is not entirely clear,  but one would  suspect  that the property owner had put  up a notice saying that persons with  no  legitimate business were  not  welcome. No loitering, no soliciting, etc. Landlords in tough neighborhoods tend to do that, not that  it does any good. The property  manager seems to have made clear to the police  that  "those  people skulking back there," or words to that  effect,  had no legitimate business, that, by implication, he withdrew whatever implied permission there  might  have been for the suspects to be there. They were intruders whom he did not happen to have the physical power to repel.

If I understand correctly, what the  police did was to covertly infiltrate from the north side, or  apartment side, of  the block, moving past  the regular parking lot and apartments,  while  simultaneously making an overt sweep from the south, or alley side, with sirens blaring and all.  The  idea would be  that fugitives would run smack into the northern party. The police, in hot pursuit, eventually chased a couple of people  into certain apartments in the complex-- and found drugs. The manager  had probably  informed the police who the "problem tenants" were, but this was  of too  vague a nature as to be sworn to before a judge (though specific warrants were obtained for two apartments). However, as tactical information, it probably did enable an officer to  be stationed in such a way as to cut  off  the  suspects' retreat, and to see a man fleeing from another officer go into a particular apartment.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/assets/pdf/SH22046214.PDF

(02/20/2011 03:33 PM)

More Information Needed.

Well, the initial onset was apparently followed by a pursuit across the apartment complex, as the vast majority of the drug dealers  fled. They may have become intermingled with apartment residents. One does not know who was where. This is a case which could probably do with some collection of a lot more detailed information, rather than simply forcing limited information into political frameworks. I don't feel particularly sure of knowing the facts, but I don't think you know the facts, either.

Of course the  prisoner is entitled  to appeal. However, in practice, over the last twenty  years or so, the courts have not  shown very great enthusiasm about  suppressing evidence in drug cases. Someone like Justice Scalia has come a considerable distance from Ybarra, back in 1979.

At the same time, don't  lose sight of the likelihood that the prisoner is appealing, instead of plea bargaining, because he's got a rap sheet.

(February 20, 2011 at 8:20 PM)

In this case, the warrant particularly described a reasonably circumscribed piece of ground,  which I do not believe was the apartment  complex's main parking lot,  but at most a subsidiary parking lot out back.  The newspaper seems to have a map of  some  kind, but I was not able to access it, as it  was in Flash (*). The warrant was materially circumscribed  because the officers were confined to  exercising it  on this fairly small piece of ground, the  habitual resort of maybe a dozen men, rather than, for example, going off to the local college  campus and conducting a dragnet search. The policemen had very little chance of finding  one of the mayor's political opponents in  this vacant lot in a slum.  There was little danger of the police  being turned into an auxiliary of the party in  political power. Again, the warrant may be over the line, and if so, it will be reversed, but it  was not very far over the line.

This is a far cry from a warrant to take anyone, anywhere, who might  be alleged to have been involved in writing or publishing the North  Briton.

Incidentally, a dozen men loitering at a place where drugs are sold probably does not mean a drug dealer and a dozen customers. It probably  means a drug dealer and his private army, in case a rival drug dealer should attack. It would be expected that customers  would make their purchases and speedily depart. The drug dealer takes a calculated risk in dealing  with customers of whom he could have only limited  knowledge,  and he would naturally prefer that one customer not be a witness to another customer's purchase. Drug dealing, particularly in highly destructive drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and amphetamines (the "dead in five years" drugs), is a bit more underground than alcohol bootlegging ever was. A member of the entourage might serve as a "cut-out," carrying a "rock"  to a slowly passing car, receiving money, and carrying that to the dealer. Again, this would have been perfectly well known to the judge, who necessarily deals with many such cases on a daily basis. The facts presented were sufficient to convince the judge that a private army was operating in the neighborhood, and  that this was its base.

With respect to  "pursuit across the apartment complex," what I am suggesting is that in pursuing the people from the vacant lot, they may have become commingled with the residents of the apartment complex. For example was the eighty-year-old man ever out back in the vacant lot? I don't know, and what  follows is pure speculation, but it might be the case that his grandson, residing with him, was out in the vacant lot, and fled back to  the apartment, and the police,  pursuing, found the grandfather, the grandson, and the grandson's cocaine stash. In that case, the grandfather would have been briefly detained, and then released, and the  grandson would have been arrested.

(*) I do not have Flash installed, for good and sufficient  security  reasons.  Flash, like  Javascript, of which it is a superset, is an exercise in unsafe sex.


If  the police were not entitled to a warrant, what  would have been their alternative move. The British approach is the electronic panopticon, ie. more and more surveillance cameras.


[Chris Bray wanted to know what I considered a General Warrant]

and I replied: (February 20, 2011 at 8:37 PM)

What Constitutes a General Warrant?

Well, I was about  to pose a similar question to you. I would like to pose the hypothetical case of a "recognition code." Suppose that secret agents had a code of multiple challenges and responses, so that the probability of using all the right phrases, without being in possession of  the code, is at least a  hundred million to one. Now, suppose a judge issues a warrant to go to such and such a public place, meet whoever  arrives, carrying, let us say, a certain newspaper, and  go through the challenge-response sequence with  him, and if he completes it successfully, arrest  him. Is this a general warrant?

[He considered this a ridiculous suggestion, and responded rudely. I replied:]


Perhaps  Not All That Hypothetical.

Well,  of course, I am an engineer. My interests are different than yours. Nowadays, I write mostly on Techdirt.com, about  various kinds of issues,  historical and legal,  which arise out of advanced technology. The kind of exaggerated rituals you see in  bad  spy comedies are in fact used in electronic hardware every thousandth of a second. Legal cases involving things like illicit  music copying  often do turn on electronic handshakes of one kind or another. One often has to talk about the intentionality issues of people using certain types of software  which they did not write, and whose design principles and objectives they  only understand very imperfectly. Things like Facebook, for example.

One of the more significant "fishing expedition"  cases I know of at the moment involves a young man who cracked Sony's system of encrypted copy protection and rights management  on Sony's game console. By doing so, he imperiled Sony's "...give away the razor and make money  on the blades" business model. The case is in discovery, and the judge appointed a sort of escrow agent to go through the defendant's hard drive, and separate those documents Sony is entitled to see from those documents Sony is not entitled to see.

Another case involves the seizure of a computer server, which was serving  73,000  websites, over legal matters involving  one website. Such is progress that a small, comparatively  inexpensive box is a kind of virtual skyscraper, with a corresponding multiplicity of commercial tenants.

My working definition of a general warrant is whether it is in fact extensible into a fishing expedition, whether policemen find ways to  do so. Does the policeman have to stop when the factually specific theory he presented to the judge proves  untenable?  That is of course the  "pragmatic test."




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