My Comments on:

Chris Bray, 

 Wide Berth on the Sidewalk,


http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/138185.html (now) https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/138185

HNN Cliopatria [pseudonym], Apr 4, 2011

Andrew D. Todd

 a_d_todd@rowboats-sd-ca.com 

http://rowboats-sd-ca.com/




(My Responses, 4/4/2011, 4/5/2011)

What Majors

One point I am curious about  is what your army of cousins majored  in. Often,  in  certain undergraduate professional schools, and certain hard science majors, the liberal arts requirements are de-minimus, and can be met  in large part with elementary  languages courses, and things like "Business English." One of the most common college courses  is Elementary Spanish, and that does not reflect  an affinity for Hispanic culture, but merely a desire to boss Jose and Maria around more efficiently. I doubt very many people major in core liberal arts fields without taking any history.

Incidentally, I think C.S. Forrester's "Nelson Test" applies. "No X can do  very wrong who Y," is the general case of Nelson's fighting instructions at Trafalgar: "No captain can do very wrong who places his ship against that of the enemy." Similarly, no professor can do very wrong who enrages the governor to the point that the governor loses his cool, and adopts the tactics of a Soviet  commissar. The mere fact of Cronon having managed to draw fire is, in and of itself, grounds for commendation.

[Bray responded with a list of "the usual suspects," undergraduate  Business Administration, Elementary Education, etc. I was then able to address these in detail.]

Part of the rationale of education programs is essentially to keep school-teaching from being a kind of high-level unemployment insurance, eg. an engineer teaching math and science in high school, while waiting for a high-tech industry slowdown to burn itself out. Back in the 1920's, John T. Scopes, of monkey-trial fame, was teaching while waiting to get into grad school, and eventually wound up as an oil-company executive, having started as a geologist.  That means the professional school-teachers  have to create a sort of esoteric mumbo-jumbo in order to have long-term careers. The whole point is to make school-teaching unattractive to highly qualified people with only a year or so to spare. You understand, I went to a  New England prep school in the 1970's, where the junior teachers were all like that. I learned much of my chemistry from a pre-med-student, who wanted to save a bit of money for med school, and who also taught a short course in the  Rationalist Philosophers (*). I very much doubt that the pre-med-student  had ever taken a course in how to teach science-- all he had was a thorough grounding in organic chemistry, biochemistry, and molecular  biology.

(*) Descartes, Leibniz, and Spinoza; a group of leading seventeenth-century mathematicians and physicists who made a last effort to prove the existence of God before science and religion parted company.

As for Business Administration, I dug out an old University of Oregon catalog, and looked  at the  recommended program for pre-business-administration  majors:

Freshman year: Freshman English, Math, Psychology or substitute, Literature/Foreign  Language, Business Administration/elective.

Sophomore  year: Math, Economics, Business Administration, Literature/Foreign  Language, elective (science).

Technically,  this meets distribution requirements, but it is still pretty narrow.  History  is usually classified as a social science, and is  driven out  by Economics and Psychology, social sciences which purport  to  be technologies of manipulation. The mathematics isn't  to a very high standard, but  business administration does not attract  the  mathematically talented, so the business administration students would have work at  learning enough mathematics  to understand accounting. Someone  who had done enough Spanish in high school to secure exemption from the freshman course could  take the sophomore course as a freshman, and then a Spanish composition course as a sophomore, and gain a usable command of the  language.





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