My Comments on:

Sudha Shenoy,

At Least Organic Farming Is A Good Thing -- Isn't It?



  http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/49966.html (now) https://historynewsnetwork.org/blog/49966



HNN  [pseudonym], May 1, 2008

Andrew D. Todd

 a_d_todd@rowboats-sd-ca.com 

http://rowboats-sd-ca.com/




(My Responses)

(05/08/2008 01:27 AM)
RE: http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/49966.html

Greenhouses Are Actually Quite Efficient.

I don't know very much about organic farming, but  I do know something about thermodynamics, and I would like to deal with the one specific issue of greenhouse agriculture versus imports.. Energy has both a quantity, and a  quality, defined in the  negative as entropy. Hence you have the second and third laws of thermodynamics. Transportation tends to require high quality energy, such as electricity or kerosene. Depending on such considerations as whether one could get a backhaul, a freighter jet might, at a guess,  wind up using a  pound of kerosene for every one or two pounds of green goods  flown in from Africa. The kinds of things which make attractive air freight are  the kinds of goods which don't weigh anything to  speak of, such as clothing.

Low-grade heating, such as heating a greenhouse to a modest temperature, can be done with low-grade energy, and low-grade energy is fairly ubiquitous. Britain is not a very cold climate, and it is probably  feasible to build solar greenhouses, particularly  if you use the kind of  semi-active design pioneered by Steve Baer of Zomeworks, in which insulated shutters open and close at various times of the  day, and create dead air zones. The dominant mode of heat loss from greenhouse glass in winter will be wind-driven convection. So the idea would be, in the daytime, to continuously aim the shutters at the sun, so  as to minimize their interference  with the sunlight, while creating windbreaks over the greenhouse glass. At night, and in adverse weather, the shutters would close.  Glass would of course be placed only where there was a southern exposure, insulated frame-construction being used elsewhere.

[Sudha Shenoy objected that the British Climate is unsuited for solar. To which I replied]



(05/09/2008 02:52 AM)

Solar heating has long been popular  in the Pacific Northwest, which has much the same climate as Northwest Europe, but is very heavily "green." In the Pacific Northwest, they do seem to be building solar greenhouses. The difference is not one of climate, but  one of mind. It's Ken Kesey country. Britain may have a lot  of rain and clouds, but it is not very cold in winter. It all comes out about even in the end. You might only need to keep the greenhouse 10-20 deg-C above the outside. Space heating is the easiest of solar applications, easier than water  heating, and  much easier than solar electricity. There is a relatively large margin for adverse circumstances.

[But then she complained that Briain is tood densely popolated to allow greenhouse agriculture. To which I responded: ]

(05/10/2008 10:10 PM)
I find that in 2000, Britain was home to something like eleven million cattle, six-and-a-half million hogs, forty million sheep, and a hundred and fifty million chickens, perhaps three times as much livestock per square mile as Argentina. To anyone but the most esoteric gourmet, meat is none the worse for having been frozen, and it can be readily shipped in that form at comparatively low expense. So let's keep the greenhouses in perspective. Britain's population of about one person per acre allows room for the  odd greenhouse.  Interestingly, it seems that  Britain  imports tomatoes from  the  Netherlands, which  has twice  the population density. Tomatoes are very definitely a high-value crop, yielding  thousands of  dollars worth of crop per acre.  Their very high yield in weight (35+ tons/acre) of course reflects the fact that  they are mostly water. Tomato paste, of course,  like orange juice concentrate, is an inexpensive product of rejected fruit. In dehydrated form, it is likely to be inexpensively  shipped around the world. However, the  value of a tomato tends to increase, the closer it is to being  fresh. That militates against shipping tomatoes for long distances. Of course, with the  Channel Tunnel, Europe isn't really overseas from Britain. Europe has an  express train service  with a hub yard at  Herne  in the Ruhr, which does overnight service for a twenty-ton European freight car,  between any two  points in Western Europe. It runs at the same speeds as traditional passenger express trains such as the Orient Express, though not as fast as the  new  TGV-type trains.

An airport capable of handling jet freighters, cargo 747's, will take up several square miles. For what  it is worth, London's Heathrow airport is approximately in the midst of what  used to be a market gardening belt, close enough in to allow daily deliveries in the age of horse transportation. With the coming of the railroads, market gardening districts moved further out, of course. You treat transportation as if it were uniquely free. Commercial aviation is in fact driven by air forces. It is not a case of the invisible hand, but the very visible hands of men like Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris and Barnes Wallis.  With the increasing price of kerosene, the economics may very well have shifted. 

[But then, she insisted that flying produce aroundthe world was cheaper than growing it locally. So, among other things, I estimated how much kerosine air freight requires.]
(05/11/2008 07:22 PM)

Of course, obviously, the Dutch were long famous for  market gardening, and indeed, until the industrial revolution changed the rules, they were famous for almost any kind of production which  required exemplary skill. In large sections of Northern Europe, as far east as Moscow, it was axiomatic that the way to upgrade one's economy was to get some Dutchmen to  immigrate. The Dutch did not have any special geographical advantages, unless you call being under  water a geographical advantage. There is such a thing as the "Hans Brinker mentality," and no doubt a Braudelian historian would be inclined to account for this in terms of the need to keep back the sea.

Consulting a land-use map of Britain, circa 1980, I find that there were significant market  gardening districts outside of Belfast, Dublin,  Edinburgh, Dundee, Leeds, Birmingham, and Bristol, apart from the districts around London, and along the south coast. Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool-Manchester, and Cardiff were striking in not having such districts, and this could not really be accounted for in  climatic terms. What these latter areas did seem to have in common was a single-minded fixation on mining and manufacturing. There is no obvious reason why greenhouse districts could not be established in economically depressed areas, along main rail lines leading south, only a few hours from the markets. The north of England is not the Yukon, after all. I consulted a table of representative world climates, and was impressed by the mildness of the Scottish climate, which is not to be compared with that of the Ohio country.

I gather that a tomato is ancestrally a jungle vine, presumably adapted to growing up the sides of trees, living in the filtered light below the jungle canopy. A maximum supply of direct sunlight for photosynthesis does not seem to be critical per se, or may even be disadvantageous, provided the plant is kept sufficiently warm and  moist. These conditions can be met in a greenhouse better than in any open-air climate, save for the microclimate created by a tropical rain forest.  It turns out that the Kenyans are resorting to greenhouses, for want of the right kind of climate in their own country. Among other virtues, a greenhouse keeps insect pests out, and increases the crop yield. At this level, the Kenyans'  comparative advantage, such as it is, boils down to little more than cheap labor.

A greenhouse is durable, and might, with ordinary good management, last for twenty or forty years. The pro rata cost of using it is not all that great. Given that we are talking about a  very simple form of construction, two dollars per  square foot  ought to be  achievable. Assuming thirty-five tons of crop per acre per year, and a long-term five percent interest rate, I come up with a figure of about six cents per pound of tomato for the cost of using the greenhouse.

By contrast, the cost of flying a Boeing  747 is something like five or six thousand dollars per hour, plus three or four thousand gallons of fuel per hour, whatever that  costs at the moment. That works out to somewhere in  the vicinity of a dollar or two per pound of cargo at present oil prices, depending on the details of a particular shipment. The airplane is not  durable in the sense that an automobile is durable, and it is always needing replacement parts of one kind or another, and vast numbers of mechanics  to install those  new parts. Land vehicles can be designed to  be  rugged, to go for years with minimal maintenance, but  an airplane  so designed would be too heavy to get off the ground.  So around the margins, air freight becomes an exercise in using expensive labor to get access to cheap  labor. If that is not a losing game, it is at least a precarious one. The  same high-grade labor which is used to maintain the jet airplanes could alternatively be employed in inventing ways to reduce the labor requirements of producing common articles of consumption. At present, mechanical harvesting seems only to be feasible for  green tomatoes, which have a lower value. Possibly, better harvesting machines could be designed.

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Sources:

Here are some links for solar heating in Britain.
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A solar  housing development in Shropshire

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/the_wintles_bri.php

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A firm in Wiltshire supplying solar heating products.

http://www.soltrac.co.uk/whysolar.htm
http://www.soltrac.co.uk/suitability.htm

Money quote: "We cannot install solar [water] heating onto a thatched roof. With temperatures up to 250°C not unheard of in summer – and in a test one of our systems reached 149°C in November in southern England – we think this would be tempting fate."

Their best solar collector is designed on the thermos-bottle principle, with a transparent outer tube, using a vacuum for insulation.  Convection cannot take place in a vacuum, and the other two modes of heat transfer, conduction and radiation are not  terribly effective at such, um, modest temperatures (radiation really comes into its own at thousands of degrees). One could in principle construct a window pane with vacuum insulation. There was something about fifteen years ago which was very similar, a flat vacuum tube, a cathode ray tube, which, for a time, looked as if it might be a cheap flat-screen display for computers. The designers  used  large numbers of little spacer blocks between two sheets of  glass to  hold the glass sheets apart. Now, for conventional household use, it might not be very popular to have a window with an internal grating of rubber-clad  steel, but for greenhouses, that need not be  a problem.
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Another solar energy firm in Devon.

http://www.eco-exmoor.co.uk/sol_water_faq.php
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http://www.cleanerenergy.co.uk/solarenergy.html
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A short "foundation pamphlet," about solar water heating. Quotes a figure of  1000 KWh of raw sunlight per square meter of rooftop, per year, in Britain, though not  specifying which season. That would be 114 watts, continuous, or about half of typical American figures.

http://cms.ises.org/uploads2/SSF/pictures/materials/308/Swh.pdf

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A small commercial  solar greenhouse in  New England, in a much harsher climate than Britain.

ANNE RAVER,   CUTTINGS; What a Little Chicken Breath Can Do, Published: March 7, 1993
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE4DB103EF934A35750C0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
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Something from the last energy crisis...  Plus ca change, or whatever  it is the Frenchman says?

GARY ADKINS, "SOLAR ENERGY," _Illinois Issues_ (University of Illinois at Springfield), April 1981
http://www.lib.niu.edu/1981/ii810412.html
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SCRAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baer

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"Living the eco-life in Cornwall"

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/living-the-ecolife-in-cornwall-470591.html


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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12917544.200-green-technology-comes-of-age-the-ecoboom-of-the-past-fewyears-has-transformed-the-fortunes-of-a-community-of-alternativetechnologists-living-and-working-in-the-welsh-hills-the-public-can-nowbuya-stake-in-the-centres-future--and-help-to-finance-construction-of-amodern-waterpowered-railway-.html


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http://www.domegreenhouse.com/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato
http://www.kdcomm.net/~tomato/

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Agriculture  college reports from California. Cite typical yields for tomatoes of 35 tons/acre or more. This is for  plants grown in the open  field.

http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/ccrop/ccres/1999/3.htm
http://calag.ucop.edu/0304OND/pdfs/Tomato_Irrig.pdf
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Report  on wholesale tomato prices in Florida in 2005, suggests that  normal prices would be on the order of 20-40 cents/lb. This would  imply a wholesale crop value of  $15,000-$30,000 per acre, not allowing for rejects. A more realistic  figure would probably be  $5000-$10,000.

http://www.freshplaza.com/2005/08dec/2_us_tomatoprice.htm
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Report on the spread of greenhouse tomato growing  in North  America. The Canadians often have  the advantage, despite their famously awful climate, because of their comparatively enthusiastic adoption of Dutch technique. The greenhouses enable them to produce comparatively high-value  vine-ripened tomatoes in winter, whereas the field growers have to pick tomatoes green in summer, store them in refrigerated warehouses, and then chemically ripen them with ethylene. 

http://www.agecon.ucdavis.edu/extension/update/articles/v5n3_2.pdf
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http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A_Wikimanual_of_Gardening/Tomato

http://www.msu.edu/~sindijul/Tomatoes%20in%20Kenya.htm
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Advantages of greenhouses for tomato growing in Kenya. Kenya is basically a country of savannas and deserts, not of jungles, so they find greenhouses useful.

http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=8859
http://africanagriculture.blogspot.com/2007/10/kenya-to-test-greenhouse-tomato.html
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 EDUARDO PORTER, "In Florida Groves, Cheap Labor Means Machines," New York Times,  March 22, 2004

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E5DA1F31F931A15750C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
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History of the tomato harvesting machine.

http://www.age.uiuc.edu/classes/tsm311/Mechanizing%20Miracle.pdf
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